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Polliferation

Once again the new year rolls around and once again we have to suffer through the deluge of polls…with no let up in sight.

Despite the media’s best efforts at twisting the narrative, there appears to be a minor trend of rising support for the Government, but this far out from the election it really makes no difference whatsoever.

The big news is that despite absolutely no evidence to support it, all the headlines from the polls scream that Rudd is favoured over Gillard.

The news organisations should be immensely proud of themselves…this is an outstanding effort of the tail wagging the dog.  The intense effort in the media beat-up about Rudd challenging for the leadership (well challenging any time over the past 6 months in fact) has borne fruit with the polling organisations now including this furphy in their questions and then the media whores recycling their own filth as apparent news, in one glorious vicious circle of lies and bullshit.

To me the pinnacle of the bullshit was this morning when the morning “news” shows trumpeted that “twice as many people preferred Rudd to Gillard”, when the percentages were 52/30…but then since when did mathematics get in the way of a good beat-up.

Ah well…back into the fray of grimacing through the bullshit that passes for news in this country in the vain hope of picking up some nuggets of fact through the dross of lies and bullshit, interspersed with plenty of “the Federal Opposition says”…

 

UPDATE:  The Newspoll this morning reports the 2PP as unchanged 54-46.  Naturally our reality-challenged media are all reporting this as “flatlining” support for the ALP.  Of course as we all know 2 instances of the same results in a 2 days period means no increase in support…regardless of any underlying longer term trend.

If anyone was in any doubt about how ratshit our media really is, the performance over the past week should have eliminated all doubt.  With almost no exception our media is scouring every news item for a way to spin it as either bad for the Government or good for the Opposition…witness the cherry-picking of facets of each poll to highlight perceived weaknesses for the Government.  When the 2PP goes in favour of the ALP they highlight the primary, when the primary increase they highlight the PM support, when this improves they trot out the Rudd/Gillard comparison, which has been vastly inflated by LNP voters preferring Rudd without any hope in hell of them voting for him.

They are now all toeing the News Corp line and going stacks on the Government…with no exception.  Wankers.

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  1. January 31, 2012 at 8:08 AM

    Why does this man bother? Newspoll Tony Abbott: 55% disatisfied, 32% satisfied with his performance. Will be less satisified after NPC.

  2. Tom of Melbourne
    February 1, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    That’s so very true. The press should have reported that 1.733333333 times as may people support Rudd.

    Meanwhile, I note that barrackers usually dismiss lots of reports as “baseless speculation”. Including s=tuff like leadership challenges.

    Here are examples of so called press speculation-
    • Gillard would challenge Rudd.
    • Gillard would walk away from her promise to Wilkie (the one that put her into the Lodge).
    • Craig Thomson has a case to answer.
    • Gillard’s office was involved in whipping up emotions over Abbott’s tent embassy comments.

    What a pity the press didn’t wait for the facts to come out on each of those issues, we could have all taken comfort from a factual ALP press release.

    • February 2, 2012 at 8:54 AM

      To rebut:

      1. The media were caught napping with the dumping of Rudd…none of them had a clue. Witness their frantic hair pulling afterwards and determination ever since to be on top of the next challenge…real or not.
      2. Not being able to pass legislation is not the same as walking away. Windsor and Oakeshott have confirmed that they were not going to pass it, hence it was not going to pass, end of story. The Government put through other reforms which will start the ball rolling…unlike your mob who will repeal it if they get in. They truly have the public’s best interests at heart don’t they?
      3. The police have determined already that he has no case to answer, despite the political interference from George Brandis in his attempt to force another investigation. Face it Yom, your side don’t want to do the hard yards in Opposition…they want the shortcut by hoping the Government falls.
      4. One staffer from Gillard’s office passed on publicly available information to people who had already heard Abbott’s insensitive remarks in various meida reports. How is that “whipping up emoitions”? Contrast this with Abbott’s attempt to politicise the cruise liner tragedy in Italy by linking it to asylum seekers. The man is an arse-clown.

      Tom, your first mistake is listening to anything the press comes out with.
      This year they have literally become the publicity arm of the LNP and it is only going to get worse.

  3. Tom of Melbourne
    February 4, 2012 at 8:34 AM

    1. No MS, there were rumblings about Gillard counting the numbers in the days prior. But even on the day of the challenge, when it was clear that she was challenging, ALP barrackers were still dismissing the reports as “speculation”.

    There were successive reports prior to the challenge, but they didn’t get much traction because they seemed far-fetched, obviously they weren’t.

    2. Gillard committed to deliver the ALP vote to Wilkie. This got her into the lodge. She didn’t/couldn’t deliver the ALP vote on the issue. She broke her word. It has clearly tainted her office.

    3. Fair Work Australia seems to think that Thomson has a case to answer, and that’s what they’ve asked him to do. The “comprehensive statement” he promised must be very detailed because it’s taken quite some time.

    4. The media provided reports that someone in Gillard’s office had tipped off demonstrators about Abbott’s location. This was dismissed as “baseless speculation”

    Those reports were accurate. So much accurate reporting is initially called “baseless speculation”.

    You see, barrackers don’t like news that reflects poorly on their party so they go into denial. It is the test of time proves their stupidity.

  4. reb
    February 4, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    The funny thing about all the “blame the media” apologists for Gillard’s dismal popularity, is that traditional media actually plays a very minor role in people’s lives these days.

    The Australian, for example has a pitiful and declining circulation and has been making a loss for years. The only people who read it are rusted-on conservative voters, so to credit it with having an influence over a broader public opinion is misguided and factually incorrect.

    Likewise with the likes of Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt. Hardly anyone knows who these clowns are other than their loyal following of right-wing nutters so to credit them with some sort of greater influence among the broader Australian population is similarly false.

    The lefty-elite – especially the cafe patrons – like to think that they’ve got the entire political and media scene sussed, and that they’re the only ones who “really know what’s going on” while the rest of us are all mindless pod-people brainwashed by the so-called “hate media.”

    Which, once again, is completely incorrect, when survey after survey confirms that people don’t trust the so-called “news media” at all. So to credit the news media with some greater influence than it actually has, is simply not true.

    But the lefty-elite would rather fervently believe in all of the above, like it’s some vast right-wing conspiracy, than actually face up to the unpalatable fact that the reason Gillard is so unpopular is because people just fkn hate her.

    In saying that, people also hate Abbott by about just as much, which kind of suggests that people are in fact capable of thinking for themselves contrary to what the lefty-elite might think..

    • February 6, 2012 at 9:21 AM

      “Blame the media apologists”?? Seriously?? You are going into bat for the Australian media as a bastion of objective reporting, dedicated to getting the truth to the public to inform them??

      Now I know you’ve lost it. Despite your channelling of YoM with talk of “lefty-elite” the fact is that almost every media outlet reads from the same playbook. It doesn’t matter if the Oz has a poor circulation or Jones and the Bolter only speak to a few…those few are vocal and the rest of the media is cowed by this and goes along with the narrative. When the ABC leads stories about Government policy with “the Opposition says” then you know they have given up the fight.
      As one of the “lefty-elite”, i.e. someone who is sick of bullshit and bias in political reporting, fobbing it off as a paranoid conspiracy doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

      • reb
        February 6, 2012 at 12:27 PM

        “You are going into bat for the Australian media as a bastion of objective reporting, dedicated to getting the truth to the public to inform them??”

        Now where did I say any of that?

        I think the quality of so-called “journalism” in Australia is just a joke.

        The point I was making, which you seem to have completely overlooked, is that the majority of Australians don’t trust the media either, so to attribute the media as having some sort of all-powerful influence over a gullible public is simply not true.

  5. el gordo
    February 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    ‘The big news is that despite absolutely no evidence to support it, all the headlines from the polls scream that Rudd is favoured over Gillard.’

    The polls also say Bligh is more popular in West Australia than Qld.

    I agree the media was caught short when Rudd was knifed, but not this time. Although its quite clear both Julia and Kevin are unsuitable candidates to lead our party.

    Smith for PM and Crean as Treasurer.

  6. February 5, 2012 at 8:57 AM

    “but not this time.”

    No, of course not. But which time is ‘this’. They have been declaring it for months, but it never comes to pass. They have a history of declaring what becomes factually false. In the week when they declared Gillard would turn on Wilkie, they also declared that Wilkie would fold. They didn’t get that right. You would think that a 50% rate was good, but just go back at how often they have it wrong, They should give up on fortune telling, and report what is happening.

    They have been wrong about a Rudd challenge so many times before, they are making a mockery of their own profession playing it all out again. They were wrong about the AFL signing up to a deal with NRL to join their campaign against the Pokies reform. They hypothesised over the nature of th killer in Norway, with the expected outcome. They ran all weekend with news of a ‘damning story’ which was going to bring down ‘teh gubbamint,’, only to find out that it was a years old piece of fiction. We were going to be plunged into recession because of the ‘tsunami’ heading our way, (although, apparently, now it was a northern hemisphere storm??).

    Their record on getting it wrong, and then ignoring those ‘mistakes’ and then doing exactly the same thing tomorrow is repulsive. And, meanwhile, news events come and go, and they sit there, stewing in their ‘sources’.

    The simple fact is, the Governments figures are all ‘trending’ upward, and the media cannot handle that. Gillard, who is mocked and ridiculed in the papers daily, is now sitting above their choir boy yabot, who, to them, can do no wrong. It must be disheartening for them. I think this year we will see the msm sink themselves so far into the mud that no amount of reader sympathy will dredge them back out. All because they wanted to be creating stories, rather than reporting them.

    Sucked in I say. Welcome to the Brave New World

    http://www.theglobalmail.org/welcome/

  7. Tom of Melbourne
    February 5, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    Really Tom R?

    I noted some reports that Wilkie would fold, and others said he wouldn’t, it’s entirely likely that the media was reporting his own thinking, that at one point he was considering relenting on the commitment by Gillard, and others not.

    Just as sometimes when Gillard would say – “I’m not challenging for the leadership”, she may have been telling the truth, and other times she was lying.

    Just tell us, if the media hadn’t reported that the PM’s office was involved in liaison with protesters about Abbott’s location, and advising (stirring?) about his comments, where would this story have come from (a government press relaease)?

    Because many, including you, just dismissed it as baseless speculation.

  8. February 6, 2012 at 3:41 AM

    “advising (stirring?) ”

    Asking for a reaction to a media story might be another way or phrasing it 😉

    If the media hadn’t misrepresented so poorly what was said, there may not have been a story to begin with. Thank god they were there to make it happen for us.

    • February 6, 2012 at 9:35 AM

      Agree Tom R…it’s all about the sales/ratings/hits.
      I mean how else could Graham Richardson be portrayed as some sort of highly placed Labor insider…the man is a complete arseclown yet they keep wheeling him out as some sort of expert source.
      It’s like getting Cardinal Pell to report on the goings on if the IPCC…

      • February 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM

        It’s the same with these ‘sauces’ that the media keep reporting on. Apparently, Gillard asking anyone who might be doing this to shut up is PROOF that it isn’t mere speculation. Well, until someone can put a name to a sauce, it is nothing but speculation. The Gillard not wanting to go to war with these journos is not proof of anything. I mean, I’m sure is the journo’s ask enough people enough questions, they can interpret the answer any way they want.

        They speculated for years on howard/costello, got blind-sided by the actual take-over by Gillard, and are back to speculating again.

  9. reb
    February 6, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    It’s not the media that caused Gillard’s poor performance at the Labor conference in December, nor did the media have a hand in her inept reshuffle soon after.

    The media didn’t force her to abandon her agreement with Andrew Wilkie.

    The media didn’t dispatch her media adviser to play political games on Australia Day.

    The media did not invent the polls that have shown, week in and week out, for nearly a year, that Labor’s vote is a disaster under Gillard and she is simply not liked or trusted by voters.

    • February 6, 2012 at 1:26 PM

      So what was so poor about her performance at the conference? What was so inept about the reshuffle? You do understand (while not defending an overzealous advisor) that the Oz day fracas might never have eventuated if the papers could accurately report what was said. Or if tabot could have just let some people celebrate their day without trying to dog whistle at them.

      Wilkie I’ll lay at her feet though 😉

  10. reb
    February 6, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    Anyone who thinks Gillard’s abysmal polling is all due to some media conspiracy, is blind to the reality of politics.

    • February 6, 2012 at 1:20 PM

      “all due ”

      No

      Largely due

      YES 🙂

  11. el gordo
    February 6, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Hear hear!

  12. February 6, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    UPDATE 2: Ben Eltham agrees with massive

    “The only people who are saying that a leadership challenge is on the cards are a small number of “Rudd supporters”, none of whom have had the guts to go on the record with their real names, and a bunch of journalists who would probably fail a first-year journalism subject if they submitted the sort of articles that have been published in abundance in recent days.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3813404.html

  13. el gordo
    February 6, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    Now that Gina is running Fairfax editorial policy we can blame her journalists, in their rush to be part of hate media, for any bad press relating to a leadership struggle at ALP headquarters.

  14. Tom of Melbourne
    February 6, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    So barrackers rejoice in the poor ratings of Bolt’s TV show, but think he’s incredibly influential. Ditto with The Australian circulation, and Glenn Milne’s following and Piers Ackerman.

    Tom R spends too much time hanging around with those of a similarly narrow persuasion, but without the same modicum of sharpness.

    The article below seems to contain a reasonable series of facts and observations, but Tom R will duck it.

    http://guttertrash.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/why-gillard-supporters-cant-blame-the-media-for-her-woes/

  15. February 6, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    yomm, people can be sceptical of what they read, but, when it is all they get to read, perceptions are built.

    And what do they say about politics and perception?

    And,papers themselves may be in decline, but their influence carries through to other media, mainly television, whose nightly news are simply visual reaffirmations of the daily papers. I note even reb has taken to echoing their ridiculous talking points on. Sad to see.

    Of course, for years now I have been ridiculed for ‘blaming the media’. Interestingly, it is now mainstream to ridicule them. Mainly because there is so much to ridicule.

    As Gillard said today, they will continue with their ‘fevered speculation which doesn’t need any facts or commentary from’ her to feed it.

    • reb
      February 6, 2012 at 9:17 PM

      So in other words, you think that people are thicker than you…? Not that I’m disputing that.

      • February 7, 2012 at 7:47 AM

        Nice way to read into something that isn’t there reb.

        What I am saying, is that the media DO have a large influence. I’ll take your four points you mentioned above in a previous comment, (which you haven’t yet clarified on for me I note) as an example. That is an almost verbatim repeat of a new paper article the other day from one of the oppositions attack dogs in the media, which made it into the nightly news, which is now being repeated around the traps by barracker’s of some sort or another. If you are able to clarify why YOU think these claims are true, or is it just because you have heard it repeated a few times, so perhaps there is legitimacy to it?

    • February 7, 2012 at 8:49 AM

      Even though some of these knobs don’t have high ratings, the constant and loud repetition of their bile eventually wears through and infects the rest.
      You may start out thinking it’s all a bunch of shit, but sometimes the average punter starts to think that maybe there’s something to it if they all sat it, or if it goes on for this long.
      Eventually it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts…and the Lame Stream Mediums pat themselves on the back for their perspicacity…irregardless of whether or not it was in the public’s best interest…it was certainly in their own bottom line’s interest at any rate.

      • reb
        February 7, 2012 at 12:59 PM

        “the constant and loud repetition of their bile eventually wears through and infects the rest.”

        Nah, I doubt that. I wouldn’t have a clue what Andrew Bolt has recently or what Alan Jones has said on the airwaves for about a decade, basically because I don’t tune in…

      • February 7, 2012 at 1:04 PM

        And yet reb was somehow, miraculously, able to repeat, almost word for word, the mantra created by a similar talking head about the (allegedly) failed National Conference, Reshuffle, Wilkie affair and Australia Day.

        Something sure looks to be filtering through somewhere.

  16. Tom of Melbourne
    February 6, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    So when all the Howard barrackers claimed bias in the media in 2007, were their complaints equally legitimate?

    • February 7, 2012 at 7:53 AM

      Don’t conflate lack of bias with actual bias yomm 😉

      They were just reeling because the media actually applied some scrutiny to him, after a decade of letting it pass through to the keeper. I am sure, after that, it may have appeared to be bias them. Seeing the Emperor in all his glory would have been a shock to some I am sure.

      On the other hand, the bias shown towards the Labor Government is well documented, the BER campaign, the disjointed portrayal of the NBN, the Carbon Tax meme. The list goes on. There is no balance at all in this reporting, it is simply dwelling on every morsel of negative news, often dressed up with pure bullshit. Imagine the fun the media could have had with a Labor Government who took their country to war, against their will, based on a lie.

      • February 7, 2012 at 8:45 AM

        But Tom, don’t forget that the independent reports that disproved the narrative spun against the BER was stacked with ALP cronies…after all a school down the road from one of Sancty’s Mates (TM) went over budget so they all must have been rorted.

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